“Seth material” search engine (Jane Roberts)

(There followed a discussion about the place of protest and violence in the world today—this violence as a means to correct injustice and to get people to accept all other people and their “thing” without prejudice or the judgment of someone else’s values. Sue and Ned of the younger generation were proponents of “pro “ and others were either “con” or neutral or philosophical.)

You cannot kill. As long as you can extinguish a human consciousness forever, then murder and killing are crimes. And you must deal with them. As long as you believe in the reality of violence, then violence is a crime, and you reap its fruits. There will never be a justification for killing or violence.

Since there is no death, in your terms, there is no murder. We will have some long sessions dealing with this matter, but I tell you all now—no good will come of violence. The gains that seem to be won will end in the violence of those who bring them about. The violence will be reborn in them. It will be part of their reality, and others will turn against them. This applies to any people at any time.

If there is one message I would give to you all, it is that there is no justification for killing—there is no justification for hatred—there is no justification for violence. It may occur, but those who indulge in violence are themselves changed, and the purity of their purpose adulterated. They are no longer the selves that they were.

When you curse another you curse yourselves and the curse comes back to you. When you are violent for any cause, the violence returns. For that which you send out and that which you give you also receive. There is no other way. There has never been any other way. The laws are old and ancient.

When every young man refuses to go to war you will have peace. As long as twenty men insist on fighting a war you will not have peace. As long as you fight for gain and greed you will not have peace. As long as one person commits violence for the sake of peace you will have war. Unfortunately, in the condition in which your world finds itself, it is extremely difficult to imagine that all the young men in all of the countries at the same time will refuse to go to war. And so you must work out the violence that violence has wrought.

Not in your physical time, but within the next hundred years, that time may come... (phrase omitted)... but when it comes, and if it comes soon it will come as a miracle. For it will come when every man realizes that killing is wrong, and when every young man in every country refuses to go to war, and when he refuses to curse any man or any flower. You do not defend any idea with violence. With violence you kill an idea.