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NoME Part Three: Chapter 6: Session 846, April 4, 1979 Jonestown cult fallout reactor Island

(Jane was quite upset before the session this evening, and I’m the one who was responsible for her state. Somehow, after supper, we got on the subject of Seth doing a “quick book” about Jonestown and Three Mile Island, something that could be offered to the public very soon, instead of material that would show up in a regular Seth book a couple of years from now. We already had the perfect title for the book, one we’d jokingly originated following last Monday night’s session: Seth on Jonestown and Three Mile Island: Religious and Scientific Cults.

In scientific terms there was no fallout involved in the disaster at Jonestown. Yet there was of course a psychological fallout, and effects that will be felt throughout the land by people in all walks of life. The Jonestown situation definitely involved all of the characteristics that I have ascribed as belonging to a cult. There was fanaticism, a closed mental environment, the rousing of hopes toward an ideal that seemed unachievable because of the concentration upon all of the barriers that seemed to stand in its way.

Most cults have their own specialized language of one kind of another — particular phrases used repetitiously — and this special language further serves to divorce the devotees from the rest of the world. This practice was also followed by those at Jonestown. Loyalty to friends and family was discouraged, and so those in Jonestown had left strong bonds of intimacy behind. They felt threatened by the world, which was painted by their beliefs so that it presented a picture of unmitigated evil and corruption. (Pause.) All of this should be fairly well recognized by now. The situation led to the deaths of hundreds.

(“Nothing,” I said. “It would just wait until the Jonestown–Three Mile Island thing was done. Maybe we’d have sessions almost every night for a few weeks, or whatever it took. Anyhow, we’d have to check to see whether our publisher is set up to market a book that quickly, or would even want to.”

NoME Part Three: Chapter 7: Session 846, April 4, 1979 harrisburg catastrophic jonestown idealist fanatic

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JONESTOWN, HARRISBURG, AND WHEN IS AN IDEALIST A FANATIC?

[...] Jonestown, Harrisburg, and When Is an Idealist a Fanatic?”

TPS5 Notes for Session 844 (Deleted) April 1, 1979 Island Mile meltdown radioactive Jonestown

[...] Jonestown was far away, remote in another land, I said to Jane, but the potential mass tragedy of Three Mile Island hovers at the edges of our personal worlds. [...] It would hardly be a coincidence, I added, that the mass events at Jonestown and Three Mile Island took place within less than six months of each other, and that they represented the two poles, or extremes, of mankind’s present main belief systems: religion and science.

[...] Seth will comment extensively on Three Mile Island, just as he’s in the process of doing about Jonestown. [...]

TPS5 Deleted Session November 22, 1978 Jones Jonestown suicide temple quickie

(We also speculated that Seth might refer to what may be called the “Jonestown Affair,” or something like it. This had erupted in a mass suicide, involving over 400 Americans, in the community of Jonestown in what was formerly British Guyana, in South America. [...]

(I might add here that the Jonestown affair reminded me at once of the mass suicide of the defenders of the Jewish stronghold of Masada, in the First Century AD, in Israel. [...] But wait—it gets tricky; The Jonestown people didn’t? [...]

NoME Part Three: Chapter 6: Session 845, April 2, 1979 nuclear Mile Jonestown Island scientists

[...] 2. We want to offer his comments on Jonestown and Three Mile Island in the order received, even if they don’t always come through within the context of “official” book sessions. [...]

(“I haven’t had too much time to think of questions, but today we were talking about the relationships between Jonestown and Three Mile Island — how those two events stand for the extremes of religion and science.” [...]

The Jonestown people thought that the world was against them, particularly the establishment, and the government of the country. [...]

To coin a phrase, then, we see “fantastically great” lessons in the examples given us by Jonestown and Three Mile Island. [...]

NoME Part Three: Chapter 6: Session 835, February 7, 1979 whooosh victims Americans leader Jonestown

Jane laughed when I asked her why she hadn’t told me of her feelings about Jonestown before: “You never asked me.” [...] The mass deaths at Jonestown (in November 1978) took place during our long layoff from book dictation, but Seth began discussing the affair almost at once in our private material, as Jane described in her own portion of the opening notes for Session 831. [...]

Many people lost their lives recently in the tragedy of [Jonestown] Guyana. [...]

3. After this session, I was rather surprised when Jane told me that the Jonestown tragedy was an emotionally charged subject for her, and that Seth knew it. [...]

NoME Part Three: Chapter 6: Session 841, March 14, 1979 viruses immunity thoughts Jonestown autopsies

Now: I said, in book dictation, I believe (in the 835th session), that the people of Jonestown died of an epidemic of beliefs — or words to that effect. [...]

The people who died at Jonestown believed that they must die. [...]

TPS5 Jane’s Notes March 26, 1979 Moonies dissatisfied superimpose Anyway Jonestown

[...] Anyhow, got the idea when I put the book away that Seth would speak about things like the Moonies without mentioning them, idea being that the self as it is isn’t trusted; as in the Jonestown thing. [...]

NoME Part Three: Chapter 6: Session 844, April 1, 1979 nuclear Harrisburg Island Mile smarter

[...] Jonestown was far away, remote in another land, I said to Jane, but the potential mass tragedy at Three Mile Island hovers at the edges of our personal worlds. [...] It would be hardly a coincidence, I added, that the mass events at Jonestown and Three Mile Island took place within less than six months of each other, and that they represented the two poles, or extremes, of mankind’s present main belief systems: religion and science.

(Certainly we hope that as he continues with Mass Events Seth will comment extensively on Three Mile Island, just as he’s in the process of doing about Jonestown. [...]

DEaVF1 Preface by Seth: Private Session, September 13, 1979 Iran animals Mitzi religious Mass

In Mass Events, along with TMI Seth had discussed the tragedy of Jonestown—where in November 1978 over 900 Americans had died [by murder or suicide] for a religious cause in faraway Guyana, South America. Last night I realized that in these notes for Dreams I also wanted to refer to the religious revolution in Iran while reminding the reader of the events in Jonestown. For to me, and to Jane also, I’m sure, Three Mile Island and Jonestown-Iran represent powerful extremes or directions in large-scale human behavior: certain aspects of religion and science seemingly at opposite poles of the human psyche, as it were.

[...] Horrendous as the situation at Jonestown turned out to be, with religious fanaticism furnishing a framework for all of those deaths, I think it obvious that developments in Iran are already far more serious. Iran is an entire country, whereas Jonestown was one fragile settlement confined within the jungles of an alien land. [...] And really, I thought, it could have hardly been an accident on consciousness’s part that as the events at tiny Jonestown receded from world attention, the revolution in Iran began to dramatically increase. [...]

TPS5 Deleted Session December 6, 1978 view tooth teeth aspirations comprehensions

[...] In the same way, the Jonestown suicides lead the society to face its inner problems.

NoME Part Two: Chapter 5: Session 833, January 31, 1979 fame mate reams destination deaths

[...] We agreed — and hoped — that Seth did seem to be preparing to discuss the Jonestown tragedy for Mass Events.)

NoME Part Two: Chapter 5: Session 831, January 15, 1979 copyedited Tam Sue medieval private

[...] Four days after they took place, he began discussing the disastrous events at Jonestown, Guyana, involving the murder or suicide of more than 900 Americans in that South American settlement last November 18, 1978. Since then, we’ve voiced our hopes often that Seth will go into the entire Jonestown affair in Mass Events; he can’t but help be aware of our wishes! [...]

DEaVF1 Chapter 3: Session 890, December 19, 1979 units ee sperm particles unmanifested

[...] Currently these include topics like Jonestown, Iran, Frameworks 1 and 2—and one I initiated earlier this year about human reproduction, called “the community of sperm.” [...]

TPS5 Deleted Session November 29, 1978 worrying lumps massacres optimism knots

Those for example at Jonestown become symbols of social, religious, and political unrest. [...]

NoME Part Three: Chapter 8: Session 857, May 30, 1979 impulses idealism motives altruistic power

[...] In the case of the Jonestown tragedy, for example, all doors toward probable effective action seemed closed. [...]

DEaVF1 Chapter 2: Session 886, December 3, 1979 divine Zeus flat Zoroaster homogeneity

In the Preface I also wrote about how I thought the great blossomings of religious consciousness and scientific consciousness engendered by the events at Three Mile Island and Jonestown/Iran would continue to grow, once born, seemingly with lives of their own. [...]

NoME Part Three: Chapter 7: Session 848, April 11, 1979 tornadoes nuclear reactor exterior Island

The leader of Jonestown was at heart an idealist. [...]

NoME Part Three: Chapter 8: Session 856, May 24, 1979 Watergate President idealized nuclear fanatic

Beneath all of the frustrations and upsets we may feel at their surface manifestations, Jane and I are caught up in the deeper meanings of events like those at Jonestown and TMI, for they represent great challenges that our species has set for itself, through this century and beyond. [...]

TPS5 Session 844 (Deleted) April 1, 1979 Harrisburg nuclear dog dream drama

(I might as well use this opportunity to point up what I think is an obvious connection between the nuclear mishaps at Three Mile Island, and the mass suicide at Guyana [Jonestown] earlier this year. [...]

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