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When these have been passed then the diligent, consistent, intuitive and flexible seeker after knowledge will find horizons of which Freud never dreamed. Freud merely touched the outer boundaries. Jung, with his eyes clouded by the turmoil set up by Freud, glimpsed some further regions, but poorly.

Your Freud and Jung have probed into the outer, personal subconscious. Jung saw glimpses of other depths, but that is all. There are rather unfortunate distortions occurring in Jung’s writings, as well as in Freud’s, since they did not understand the primary, cooperative nature of the libido. We will involve ourselves in a much more thorough study along these lines, as we come to another body of subject material.

I was concerned somewhat with Ruburt’s reading of Jung, simply because while he seems to offer more than Freud, in some aspects he has attempted much, and his distortions are fairly important, in that seeming to delve further and offering many significant results, he nevertheless causes insidious conclusions. All the more hampering because of his scope.

Freud courageously probed into the individual topmost layers of the subconscious, and found them deeper than even he suspected. These levels are indeed filled with what may be termed life-giving and death-tempting differentiated and undifferentiated impulses acquired in the present life of an individual. But when these have been passed there are many discoveries still to be made.

[...] As per James, it was no coincidence that the beliefs of Freud and Darwin merged so well to form western society’s idea of the self, physically and psychologically. [...]

Darwin’s theories, and Freud’s for that matter, will in the future be seen as any other antiquated, outmoded system—yet from their ashes will rise new ways of interpreting and experiencing reality. [...]

Ruburt went from a strict religion, embracing both Darwin finally, and Freud also, as liberators from old doctrines—not realizing of course that he was substituting one dogma for two, period.

[...] You may be less when you would be more, but you are not under a pall placed upon your psyche, either by original sin, Freud’s infancy syndromes, or past-life influences. [...]

“Freud courageously probed into the individual topmost layers of the subconscious, and found them deeper than even he suspected. [...] After that passage the diligent, consistent, intuitive, and flexible seeker-after-knowledge will find horizons of which Freud never dreamed. Freud merely touched the outer boundaries. Jung, with his eyes clouded by the turmoil set up by Freud, glimpsed some further regions, but poorly.”

“Your Freud and Jung have probed into the personal subconscious. [...] There are rather unfortunate distortions occurring in his writings, as well as in Freud’s, since they did not understand the primary, cooperative nature of the libido….

Below, I’ll quote very short passages from sessions 555–56 in Chapter 13 of Seth Speaks, while referring the reader to them at the same time, then present some additional material from the 83rd session that I saved for this note — since in it Seth discussed the theories of both Jung and Jung’s famous teacher, Sigmund Freud (1856–1939).

Two notes in connection with the excerpts from the 83rd session: 1. The famous professional break between Freud and the younger Jung occurred in 1931: Seth’s material touches upon the divergent psychological paths taken by each of them. [...]

[...] In this particular section he told the reader that he suspected that Freud’s terms, the ego, or the conscious and the subconscious, had in themselves led you seriously astray. [...]

[...] In Freud’s terminology, the dice are indeed loaded, on the side of the conscious mind.

Are laws made to protect man from the self as it is generally outlined by Freud and Darwin? [...]

(About the subconscious: According to Freud the subconscious is often held to blame for present ego difficulties. [...] Seth has discussed Freud and Jung to some extent, in the 83rd and 119th sessions, among others.

[...] Both Freud and Jehovah gave you that message. [...]

[...] In Freud’s terminology, the dice are indeed loaded on the side of the conscious mind. [...]

[...] Flying dreams are not all disguised sexual fantasies, as Freud maintained, for example. [...]

As for example Freud added a dimension to your world with his discovery of the true subconscious, as far as he was able to perceive it.

Those ideas from Freud, Darwin, and even the churches, have been inherent in your civilization. [...]

[...] Many of Freud’s sexual ideas did not reflect man’s natural condition. [...]

[...] Like many people, Mrs. Taylor was brought up on a combined emotional porridge of orthodox religion and Freud. In her mind, Freud’s ideas of repressed subconscious material merged with religious teachings of hell and the origin of sin. [...]

(10:12.) If men were considered equal, however, the ideas of Darwin and Freud came along to alter the meaning of equality, for men were not equal in honor and integrity and creativity—or heroism: —they were equal in dishonor (louder), selfishness, greed, and equally endowed with a killer instinct that now was seen to be a natural characteristic from man’s biological past. [...]

(It will be recalled that in the 83rd session, August 31, 1964, [in Volume 2], Seth commented on the work of Freud and Jung, and mentioned some of the distortions Jung’s work in particular contains.)

[...] When you read the news or hear it, however, because of cultural beliefs you are programmed to behave in a certain fashion, in a fashion that validates, seemingly, the concepts of Freud and Darwin, and the most unfortunate aspects of Christian pessimism.

[...] For this reason, Seth explains how the theories of Freud and Darwin confine our imaginations and our abilities.

3. A reminder: Sigmund Freud (1856–1939) was the Austrian physician who founded psychoanalysis.